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  1. #81
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    AW: The Tomb (mit Stallone & Schwarzenegger)

    Habe gerade gelesen das auch Sam Neill (Jurassic Park, Die Mächte des Wahnsinns, Event Horizon, Daybreakers) mitspielt. Yeah.

  2. #82
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    AW: The Tomb (mit Stallone & Schwarzenegger)

    Es dauert noch ein wenig: Concorde will den Streifen am 10.10.2013 in die deutschen Kinos bringen.

  3. #83
    Tyrannosaurus Rex
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    AW: The Tomb (mit Stallone & Schwarzenegger)

    Der deutsche Kinostart ist okay. Mit den zwei Wochen kann ich leben. Da gibt es jüngst schlimmere Fälle (Dredd, Frankenweenie...).

  4. #84
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    AW: The Tomb (mit Stallone & Schwarzenegger)

    In den USA fand gestern ein erstes, frühes Testscreening statt.
    Ein Mitglied des US-Stallone Forum war anwesend und hat folgendes zu sagen:

    'Before I start:

    A. I am shocked that a script of this quality found it's way to Sly. Aside from Cop Land, he has never been involved with a script of such complexity, intelligence or depth. In Cop Land he plays a dim witted cop and in nearly all of his roles, Sly is a blue collar type. This may be the first film of his where he is an intellectual with some sophistication.

    B. This movie would have lost a lot of its appeal with Bruce Willis as the lead. I cannot for the life of me understand why he turned this down but I am so glad he did. What Sly brings to this role makes you wish more directors had taken a chance with him earlier in his career. It makes you wish Sly chose his work with more care because The Tomb shows you what he can do in an A-list project. More discussion on this later.

    C. Schwarzenegger turning down Sly's role was a good choice since he is a much better fit for the Rottmayer role. Sly demanding Arnie be cast as his ultimatum for making this movie is a stroke of genius really because Arnold is essential to making this film stand out.

    D. Whoever wrote this script is a fan of Sly and Arnold, that much is clear because it plays to their strengths with no man outdoing the other (arguably).

    E. This is Stallone's movie, make no mistake. He is the lead and while Arnold has a major role and is a co-lead, it's very clear that this is still a Sylvester Stallone film.

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    I don't know where to start, but.....going into this film I didn't really know what to expect, and lets just say it's not at all what I thought I'd get from a Stallone or Arnold film, and I mean that in a good way.

    This is an awesome movie. Let's get that out of the way first. You will not be disappointed. Does it have problems? Yes, but much of it can be fixed in post-production. As it stands, this is a very good film and with the right tweaking, could be a great film.

    You have never seen Sly like this before. From the character, to his look (acting/clothes), it's a real flesh and blood character that allows Sly the chance to act and be something other than a superhero. He looks great (younger, more natural) and unlike some actors seems to actually be getting better with age if this movie is any indication.

    This is his best movie since Cop Land and arguably his best action movie since First Blood. Remember how you felt when you saw Cliffhanger in 1993? How Sly had finally made an action movie that could compete with the quality of Bruce and Arnie's output? Well, The Tomb is a breath of fresh air, just like that film. It not only works as a great action thriller but also has enough dramatic elements and story to appeal to fans outside of the action genre. There is great crossover appeal here because as I said before, it is a big surprise to get this kind of film from Sly and Arnie and it makes them relevant for this generation of movie goers.

    This film is not an 80's throwback though there are some subtle nods to it. Do not go into it expecting an 80's nostalgia movie like Expendables or Tango and Cash. There are some buddy elements like "Tango and Cash", but for the most part this is a SERIOUS modern action thriller. As "Imthegame" has pointed out before, both stars need to take roles that are suited for their age and adapt to the way modern action films are being made....Arnold has already heeded that message but I am happy to say, Sly has finally acknowledged this. Ray Breslin is Sly pulling a Liam Neeson/Harrison Ford and essaying an everyman in a more convincing way than he has ever done. While I never bought into his attempts with Gabe Walker or Kit Latura in Cliffhanger and Daylight, this time he pulls it off.

    This is not a balls to the wall action movie like Rambo or stunt extravaganza like Cliffhanger. It's more of a thriller and spends much of its runtime inside of the prison. There are fisticuffs, some gunplay and an action setpiece, but it is first and foremost a thriller.

    I was informed that this was the first screening of the movie and for the most part it's completed. Some minor visual effects shots were missing, temp music score and no credits.

    The less you know about the story, the better so I won't linger too much on it. All you need to know is that this movie gives Arnie and Sly the movie they deserve. It's not Face/OFF, but it's the next best thing given their age. Completely unexpected and a surprise with the script and roles of Arnie and Sly. People will be pleasantly surprised and it bodes well for Arnie and Sly segueing outside of the action genre (Sly especially). I could tell that a lot of people were very surprised with Sly. Most casual movie goers generally give Arnie a pass but have a love/hate relationship with Sly. This movie makes him more accessible and human. He's likeable, fun and cool. He proves in The Tomb that he can give us a memorable character outside Rocky/Rambo/Expendables.

    The film does not feel cheap, and looks like a nice 60-70 million dollar film with good production values. Modest perhaps, but it makes up for spectacle with sheer starpower and an entertaining story to tell. There are no Avi Lerner-isms to be found in this movie. The director for this film may be a wild card, but he seems to be someone who is light years ahead of anyone Sly has worked with since Donner or Mangold. If anything, The Tomb shows you just how piss poor Avi Lerner has handled Expendables and how good that franchise could be with the right producers and director. We wanted "Heat" and we got our version finally with Arnold and Sly in The Tomb. This absolutely are done justice with this film.

    Re: Arnold/Sly: Arnie has the flashier role and he comes off very well. His intro got applause and he had them eating out of his hand the entire time. His one-liners were received very well. Rottmayer is like Dutch Schaeffer meets Harry Tasker. Any doubts about Arnold not being able to translate well to audiences in his 60's or his bad delivery of one-liners in Ex 2, should be forgotten. If anything it proves what working with a good director is like compared to a bad one (West).

    Sly and Arnie chemistry is as good as Kurt/Sly, perhaps even better. They work extremely well together and I think it would be a shame for them to not make another project together given what we see in The Tomb.

    You get Arnie vs Sly, Arnie teaming up with Sly, bantering and one-upmanship, one-liners,etc. It's a fanboy wet dream....and yes thankfully, we don't get any groan inducing nostalgia (Expendables 2). They have found a much more subtle and clever way to pay homage to these legends without beating a dead horse.

    Ray Breslin imho reminds me a bit of Robert Rath meets John Spartan with a dash of Macguyver. He's dead serious most of the time with some brief moments of levity. This character is a thinker and Sly sells it. I think there was a brief moment of hesitation on the audience to buy into Sly being such an intelligent character, but credit to the script and Sly's acting that they pull it off in a convincing way.

    Remember how many people complained that Sly came off really fake as Ray Tango with the glasses, suits,etc to try and give his character an air of sophistication and intelligence? Well rest assured, because unlike Tango and Cash, the filmmakers and writer have given Sly a film makeover, presenting him as an intelligent, articulate, and engaging character. Sly delivers on the acting front, giving a memorable performance. He is intense in the right moments and owns his dialogue scenes. There is nothing tentative about his performance and it doesn't feel as self conscious or vanity driven like some of his previous work.

    He finally gets it and because of that, Sly compares very favorably to Arnie's performance unlike Tango and Cash where many felt Kurt Russell stole every scene. Arnie might have the more crowd pleasing performance, but Sly's character is the backbone of the film. I don't think he smiles much in this movie and he's the straight man to Arnie in a way, but it works. They both get their moments to shine and Sly is never outdone or blown off the screen by the Oak. If anything, it proves that they really are like Pacino and Deniro in the action world. Two worlds/forces colliding and it feels epic.

    Also, this movie is set in the present. There are no futuristic elements to the script but the prison has some neat technology.'

    http://craigzablo.proboards.com/inde...d=21602&page=3

    The Tomb scheint ein absolut großartiger Film zu werden.
    Vor allem vor dem Hintergrund, dass der Autor ansonsten sehr kritisch ist.
    Für mich der most wanted Film 2013!

  5. #85
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    AW: The Tomb (mit Stallone & Schwarzenegger)

    Ein paar Bilder:
    Miniaturansichten angehängter Grafiken Miniaturansichten angehängter Grafiken Escape Plan (mit Stallone &amp; Schwarzenegger)-8168798_orig.jpg   Escape Plan (mit Stallone &amp; Schwarzenegger)-8801023_orig.jpg   Escape Plan (mit Stallone &amp; Schwarzenegger)-35256575.jpg   Escape Plan (mit Stallone &amp; Schwarzenegger)-1551474428598957531421090880119n.jpg   Escape Plan (mit Stallone &amp; Schwarzenegger)-546263442859825753149985911134n.jpg  


  6. #86
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    AW: The Tomb (mit Stallone & Schwarzenegger)

    heißt jetzt: Escape Plan

    US-Start wurde auf den 13.9. vorverlegt. EP startet somit zeitgleich mit Machete Kills.

    http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=102685

  7. #87
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    AW: The Tomb (mit Stallone & Schwarzenegger)

    Einen generischeren Titel konnte man wohl nicht finden *schnarch*

  8. #88
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    AW: The Tomb (mit Stallone & Schwarzenegger)

    Zitat Zitat von electrocutioner Beitrag anzeigen
    heißt jetzt: Escape Plan
    Echt mal eine seltendämliche Umbenennung...!

    THE TOMB war kurz, knackig und hatte was. ESCAPE PLAN klingt jetzt schon nach Flop. Freue mich schon auf das deutsche Kinoplakat mit dem deutschen Titel "FLUCHTPLAN"...!

  9. #89
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    AW: The Tomb (mit Stallone & Schwarzenegger)

    Zitat Zitat von Venkman Beitrag anzeigen
    Echt mal eine seltendämliche Umbenennung...!

    THE TOMB war kurz, knackig und hatte was. ESCAPE PLAN klingt jetzt schon nach Flop. Freue mich schon auf das deutsche Kinoplakat mit dem deutschen Titel "FLUCHTPLAN"...!
    Du meinst wohl:
    Escape Plan - Fluchtplan
    - Zwei harte Hunde brechen aus -


  10. #90
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    AW: The Tomb (mit Stallone & Schwarzenegger)

    Was für eine dämliche Umbenennung.

  11. #91
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    AW: The Tomb (mit Stallone & Schwarzenegger)

    Hier das schonmal das deutsche Poster:
    Miniaturansichten angehängter Grafiken Miniaturansichten angehängter Grafiken Escape Plan (mit Stallone &amp; Schwarzenegger)-fluchtplan4.jpg  
    Geändert von Venkman (10.04.13 um 16:21:15 Uhr)

  12. #92
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    AW: The Tomb (mit Stallone & Schwarzenegger)

    Ok, DAS wäre allerdings schon wieder irgendwie cool.

  13. #93
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    AW: The Tomb (mit Stallone & Schwarzenegger)

    Zitat Zitat von Venkman Beitrag anzeigen
    Freue mich schon auf das deutsche Kinoplakat mit dem deutschen Titel "FLUCHTPLAN"...!
    Englische Titel von Actionfilmen werden doch schon seit Ewigkeiten nicht mehr übersetzt. Wenn überhaupt eine Veränderung stattfindet, dann wird der originale englische Titel durch einen anderen englischen Titel ersetzt.

  14. #94
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    AW: The Tomb (mit Stallone & Schwarzenegger)

    Zitat Zitat von Der Große Coordinator Beitrag anzeigen
    Englische Titel von Actionfilmen werden doch schon seit Ewigkeiten nicht mehr übersetzt. Wenn überhaupt eine Veränderung stattfindet, dann wird der originale englische Titel durch einen anderen englischen Titel ersetzt.
    Nope, da kommt einfach ein deutscher Untertitel dazu

    ESCAPE PLAN - Der Fluchtplan

  15. #95
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    AW: The Tomb (mit Stallone & Schwarzenegger)

    Zitat Zitat von mike4001 Beitrag anzeigen
    Nope, da kommt einfach ein deutscher Untertitel dazu

    ESCAPE PLAN - Der Fluchtplan
    Das passiert eigentlich auch immer seltener.

  16. #96
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    AW: The Tomb (mit Stallone & Schwarzenegger)

    Excape Plan und Machete Kills, das wird ein richtig nettes Startwochenende...

  17. #97
    Spike
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    AW: The Tomb (mit Stallone & Schwarzenegger)

    "Escape Plan - 2 abgewichste Superausbrecher" vielleicht?

  18. #98
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    AW: The Tomb (mit Stallone & Schwarzenegger)

    Zitat Zitat von Spike Beitrag anzeigen
    "Escape Plan - 2 abgewichste Superausbrecher" vielleicht?
    Bei Universal wäre das vermutlich drin. Concorde wird da hoffentlich intelligenter sein.

  19. #99
    Spike
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    AW: Escape Plan (mit Stallone & Schwarzenegger)

    A trailer for The Escape Plan was revealed at Cinemacon


    Don't get too excited just yet though, It hasn't appeared online but we can probably expect to see something soon, even if it's just a leaked cam.[...]

    Some of the people lucky enough to see the trailer also had positive things to say

  20. #100
    Spike
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    AW: Escape Plan (mit Stallone & Schwarzenegger)

    Der erste (und einzige?) Trailer soll ab dem 19.7. zu sehen sein, zusammen mit dem "RED 2" Start in den USA.
    Start des Films in den USA soll am 13.08. sein.

    Bis dahin gibt es zur Überbrückung nur das:

    Geändert von Spike (05.06.13 um 08:27:27 Uhr)

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