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    Zitat Zitat von leeloo Beitrag anzeigen
    Es könnte theoretisch ja auch die Anthologie Serie werden, oder nicht? Wäre richtig umgesetzt vermutlich auch interessant.
    Bin ich für!

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    Zitat Zitat von leeloo Beitrag anzeigen
    Es könnte theoretisch ja auch die Anthologie Serie werden, oder nicht? Wäre richtig umgesetzt vermutlich auch interessant.
    Als Mittelerde-Fan kann für mich theoretisch vieles, oder gar alles interessant sein, wenn es richtig umgesetzt wird.
    Und das ist ja gerade die Krux, die Umsetzung, wie man ja (un)schön an der Hobbit-Trilogie gesehen hat.

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    Welche Spiele meinst du? Die Shadow of Mordor Reihe?
    Genau die.

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    Doug Adams auf Twitter:

    "I can’t promise that HowardShore will be involved with Amazon’s LordOfTheRings project—but I can promise that I’ll tell him he should be!"

    https://twitter.com/DougAdamsMusic/s...32324943425543

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    Doug Adams auf Twitter:

    "I can’t promise that HowardShore will be involved with Amazon’s LordOfTheRings project—but I can promise that I’ll tell him he should be!"

    https://twitter.com/DougAdamsMusic/s...32324943425543
    Das wär schonmal ein ganz großer Schritt.

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    Jau, das wäre in der Tat ein guter Anfang.

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    Man will, so lese ich das zumindest in den diversen Statements heraus, sich optisch ja an der Jackson-Welt orientieren.
    Das könnte wirklich was feines werden.
    Von daher bin ich jetzt einfach mal vorsichtig optimistisch.

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    Haben die denn tatsächlich eine Lizenz von den Tolkien Erben, oder "nur" wieder von der Saul Zaentz Company ?

    Und bitte kein Film der verfuckten EA-Spiele, dann kann das nichts werden. Kankra als Hottie , cmon.

    Ich vermute mal die werden sich aber nicht um Frodo und CO kümmern, weil das kann nur in die Hose gehen. Dafür ist das Erbe von Jackson viel zu schwer.

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    Haben die denn tatsächlich eine Lizenz von den Tolkien Erben, oder "nur" wieder von der Saul Zaentz Company ?

    Und bitte kein Film der verfuckten EA-Spiele, dann kann das nichts werden. Kankra als Hottie , cmon.

    Ich vermute mal die werden sich aber nicht um Frodo und CO kümmern, weil das kann nur in die Hose gehen. Dafür ist das Erbe von Jackson viel zu schwer.
    Hast offensichtlich vorher überhaupt keinen einzigen der Beiträge hier gelesen.

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    Hast offensichtlich vorher überhaupt keinen einzigen der Beiträge hier gelesen.
    Welchen Beitrag der 90% hier im Thread meinst du, wo das nicht Stand. Und ja, habe es jetzt gelesen, das Tolkien Estate drin sitzt.

    Sehr überraschend und gleichzeitig für mich an heuchlerei derselben kaum zu überbieten. War da soviel Geld drin, das die das abgesegnet haben ?

    Und es könnte im Jackson Universum spielen, welches das Tolkien Estate vorher als nicht existent abgetan hat ?

    Nicht falsch verstehen, Herr der Ringe Universum ist immer gerne gesehen, hält man sich an Jackson, umso besser (zumindest was die ersten drei angeht, Hobbit ist explizit Scheisskram). Howard Shore hatte allerdings sein Moment, es wäre hanebüchen von ihm zu versuchen das wiederholen zu können was er bei den Herr der Ringe Filme erschaffen hat.

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    Was genau finden die Tolkiens denn eigentlich so schlimm an PJs Filmen?

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    Welchen Beitrag der 90% hier im Thread meinst du, wo das nicht Stand. Und ja, habe es jetzt gelesen, das Tolkien Estate drin sitzt.

    Sehr überraschend und gleichzeitig für mich an heuchlerei derselben kaum zu überbieten. War da soviel Geld drin, das die das abgesegnet haben ?.
    Wohl immer noch nicht richtig gelesen!
    Es sollen 250 Mill. geflossen sein.

    Was die Heuchlerei betrifft: So Unrecht hast du nicht, aber Tolkien Estate, dass war vor allem der über 90 jährige Tolkien-Sohn Christopher!
    Es scheint, als haben die Enkel und Urenkel den Laden jetzt übernommen.
    Und wer kann schon bei 250 Mill. nein sagen...

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    Also da bin ich ja mal gespannt, was da noch kommt, von der Serie abgesehen.

    Wenn die Lizenzen plötzlich so einfach vergeben werden.....evtl. kommt da ja noch mal was von Jackson.

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    Es scheint, als haben die Enkel und Urenkel den Laden jetzt übernommen.


    In historic move, Christopher Tolkien resigns as director of Tolkien Estate

    It turns out a “Lord of the Rings” TV series isn’t the biggest Tolkien news of the week or the month or the year.

    Christopher Tolkien, son and literary heir of J.R.R. Tolkien, resigned from the Tolkien Estate. And his departure changes everything.

    Christopher is 93 and just this year edited and published one of his father’s works “Beren and Luthien,” which as even casual Tolkienites know, refers to his parents with the names of those characters adorning their tombstones.

    In the preface of the book he writes, “this is (preemptively) my last book in the long series of editions of my father’s writings.” It seems he was planning to retire already. Personally, learning the greatest Tolkien scholar, and a man who has honored his father in an exemplary way, has left the care of his father’s legacy to others feels like reading the end of LOTR where Galadriel, Elrond and the other great elves leave Middle-earth. There is a keen sadness, but admiration and beauty as well.

    But even if you aren’t sentimental, he deserves any Tolkien fan’s deep respect. But it bears repeating, this changes everything.

    The news reached me by friend Michael Martinez via Twitter on his blog. Martinez has an exceptional mind for Tolkien.

    He understood perfectly that Christopher R. Tolkien’s departure signals the end of an era.

    “With Christopher’s departure as an officer of the Tolkien Estate (which was incorporated in 2011), the long-awaited “rights frenzy” for Tolkien properties may soon begin,” he wrote.

    Yes, and it seemingly has already happened. This is a definite piece of the puzzle of the recent news of the Amazon Video deal. I had heard through rock solid, but not reportable sources several years ago that other members of the estate were much more willing to negotiate J.R.R. Tolkien’s properties while Christopher was far more interested in preserving legacy than money.

    The settlement between Warner Bros. and the Tolkien Estate settled an $80 million lawsuit July 3. Part of the statement the studio released at the time was unusually upbeat for an entity that just paid out big money:

    “The parties are pleased that they have amicably resolved this matter and look forward to working together in the future.”

    The future mentioned in that statement is this week and beyond, and it was obviously in the works then. According to a U.K. government website, Christopher resigned on Aug. 31. One would expect formal resignations of this nature take time to manage legally, so it also was in the works for some time I suspect. What I wouldn’t give to have been in the room for that passing of the torch.

    So in quick fashion, after the seismic change, the estate has sold the television rights for book “The Lord of the Rings.” Warners paid the court dispute so there would be a relationship moving forward and Amazon’s Jeff Bezos rewarded both entities handsomely.

    Another important thing to note here, and another piece of the puzzle, is that the television rights to “The Hobbit” and “Lord of the Rings” were NOT sold when J.R.R. Tolkien sold the movie rights in 1969. Those rights were for motion pictures. TORn staffer and author Kristin Thompson informed our staff about this. She has first-hand documentation and as author of “The Frodo Franchise,” knows this stuff as well as anybody. And obviously you can and should buy her book on Amazon.com. I believe another TORn news article is expected on just this point.

    This explains why the estate was so involved in the Amazon deal; they were selling something. It also explains why Middle-earth Enterprises was absent from the latest news. (Correction: This originally said Tolkien Enterprises, a name previously used that is not correct. The story has been updated.)

    But the bigger ramifications of all this are far greater than a multi-season Amazon series. The new leadership of the estate seem much more willing to deal Tolkien properties than Christopher was and this confirms my well placed sources.

    This opens up Tolkien and Middle-earth as possible franchises in the same way that Harry Potter’s world is a place you can visit at Universal Studios or that Disney will soon have a Star Wars area. There are few properties in the world that can be talked about in the same way as Middle-earth. Warner Bros. see the value and so does Amazon.

    That doesn’t mean the Tolkien Estate will move toward making the rights to “Beren And Luthien” available but it does mean my wish to produce “The Silmarillion” as HBO series is slightly less impossible than it was before. That is what has changed really. Things once impossible are now possible.

    The estate may elect to only allow more content based solely on “The Hobbit” and “The Lord of the Rings.” Or they may carefully cultivate the entire library.

    Because of the depth of J.R.R. Tolkien’s legendarium, there is a virtually endless fountain of material. As Martinez points out in his blog, what will be produced is essentially fan fiction. As Disney has expanded the Galaxy far-far away, and HBO is planning its growth of George R.R. Martin’s Westeros world, so too could Amazon and Warner Bros expand Middle-earth.

    Much of that possibility rests with the estate but just Appendix A in “The Lord of the Rings” offers a wealth of content. The imagination soars with possibilities.

    This will no doubt anger many fans and delight many others, as the Amazon deal already has. Some don’t want to see the compromise of the author’s vision. Funny enough, this also seems to have a whole new batch of fans upset because they don’t want Amazon’s product to compromise Peter Jackson’s vision of Tolkien’s vision.

    The officers of the Tolkien Estate still count among their numbers Tolkien’s youngest child Priscilla Tolkien and other grandchildren in the family.

    This is over-long already but a final word on Christopher Tolkien’s departure. Here is a man who is a treasure, and who carries in his heart and mind the voice and essence of his father. The significance of his departure cannot be over stated.

    I close with another poignant passage he wrote about his father in the preface of his final contribution to the Tolkien legacy, “Beren and Luthien.”

    “In a letter to me on the subject of my mother, written in the year after her death, which was also the year before his own, he wrote of his overwhelming sense of bereavement, and of his wish to have Luthien inscribed beneath her name on the grave. He returned in that letter … to the origin of the tale of Beren and Luthien in a small woodland glade filled with hemlock flowers near Roos in Yorkshire, where she danced; and he said: ‘But the story has gone crooked, and I am left, and I cannot plead before the inexorable Mandos.’

    Thank you Christopher Tolkien. We are going to miss you and your strength and determination to contribute to and preserve the legacy of your father.
    Link: theonering.net

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    After Amazon’s Huge Investment In Tolkien’s Middle Earth, Shouldn’t Peter Jackson Be On Jeff Bezos’ Call Sheet?

    Here is the curious part of Amazon’s announcement on a multi-season commitment to turn the JRR Tolkien conceived The Lord of the Rings into an event TV series. Amazon has not tried to enlist the help of, or even reached out to Peter Jackson. With writing partners Fran Walsh and Philippa Boyens, Jackson visually realized the Middle Earth universe in three LOTR films, and the prequel The Hobbit trilogy. I’m told there has been no Kiwi contact at all, at least not yet.

    Amazon chief Jeff Bezos’ love of the LOTR movies and desire for Amazon to have a Game of Thrones-sized epic series made the giant most receptive when the Tolkien estate put the rights for sale. Word is that after Netflix offered around $100 million, Amazon substantially outbid them with the promise of rights fees and marketing commitment that puts the transaction past $200 million.

    These sums are remarkable when one considers the struggles Jackson went through to find a home for the original LOTR. The rights were controlled by Disney-owned Miramax, and when Harvey Weinstein was denied permission by his boss Michael Eisner to fund Jackson’s plan to turn Tolkien’s three books into two movies, Weinstein allowed Jackson a short window to shop it. The offer sheet included a 5% first dollar gross stake for Miramax, with the understanding Jackson would exit in the high likelihood no else stepped up. Miramax would have hired another filmmaker to cram three books into a single film. The final stop on Jackson’s pitch tour was New Line, where Bob Shaye heard Jackson’s two movie pitch, and instead committed to make the trilogy in one shoot. The Tolkien estate rights portion of that deal? Around $3 million.

    The escalation of value the Tolkien estate will derive from Amazon comes from the marriage of Tolkien’s imaginative storytelling and Jackson’s visual genius, in bringing to life a world filled with conflict that Tolkien brought back from his horrible experiences in WWI.

    The estate has always been frosty New Line/Warner Bros and Jackson, and that might be a reason Amazon is keeping its distance. There is also the chance Jackson considers himself done with Middle Earth. If not, there might well be benefits in at least flying over to Wellington and seeing if all that R&D gleaned over nearly two decades has value, the way that the resuscitators of Star Wars picked the brain of George Lucas?

    I spent a day once at WETA, trailing a barefoot Jackson as he practically tripped over the actual miniature models of Middle Earth landmarks that included Minas Tirith, Sauron’s Tower, Saruman’s Isengard fortress and all the incredible statues that were warehoused after being photographed and used in the three films. Those locations and VFX are done in computers, but Jackson built with his LOTR fees that studio and its production, VFX and post production facilities, where James Cameron is now shooting his four Avatar sequels. The Middle Earth exteriors are all over New Zealand. Jackson owns every stitch of costuming used in the movies, and every prop; he told me that he extracted that condition when he made extended version cuts of all six movies for DVD. It would seem Jackson could be a useful ally.

    Amazon’s precedent-setting investment in Tolkien’s Middle Earth hints at the earth shaking impact Silicon Valley will likely continue to have on the traditional businesses of TV and movies. But it appears that what the retailing giant has gotten for all that money is entry into a world lushly realized by Jackson, without the clear storytelling blueprint that Jackson had from Tolkien’s LOTR and Hobbit books. After Jackson’s six movies that grossed nearly $6 billion, wouldn’t it be wise to put him on the call sheet?
    Link: deadline.com

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    @leeloo: Da lag ich mit meiner Vermutung über Tolkien Estate ja ziemlich nah dran.

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    Was genau finden die Tolkiens denn eigentlich so schlimm an PJs Filmen?
    Christopher Tolkien hat lt. seiner Aussage nach die Filme nie gesehen, hält sie aber für unverfilmbar. Wenn ich mich recht entsinne, war das die Aussage die er mal in einem der seltenen Interviews gegeben hat.

    Das gibt es irgendwo im Netz, habe den Link aber gerade nicht zur Hand.

    Edith:

    Müsste dieses sein:

    https://www.worldcrunch.com/culture-...lly-speaks-out

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